Comments for apaku http://apaku.wordpress.com Thoughts, Ideas and Comments (mostly about KDE/KDevelop) Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:22:45 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by apaku http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1140 apaku Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:22:45 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1140 If you use the reporting wizard in bugs.kde.org (which is the only way for normal users) it will search for duplicates based on your short-description. It'll present them to you and it also searches already-closed bugs. Dr.Konqi also does this since KDE 4.3, I can see that because the user submitting via Dr. Konqi can select possible duplicate bugreports and that shows up in the submitted report (thats at least what I understood from Dario's explanation). If you use the reporting wizard in bugs.kde.org (which is the only way for normal users) it will search for duplicates based on your short-description. It’ll present them to you and it also searches already-closed bugs.

Dr.Konqi also does this since KDE 4.3, I can see that because the user submitting via Dr. Konqi can select possible duplicate bugreports and that shows up in the submitted report (thats at least what I understood from Dario’s explanation).

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by Andi Clemens http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1139 Andi Clemens Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:47:33 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1139 The problem is that when I enter a new bug (or use DrKonqi), I don't even see the duplicate entries, I just tested it. So even if users want to look for duplicates, they can't find them. If you use the normal search in BKO, you will even see less entries, because normally resolved bugs are not displayed at all. The problem is that when I enter a new bug (or use DrKonqi), I don’t even see the duplicate entries, I just tested it.
So even if users want to look for duplicates, they can’t find them.
If you use the normal search in BKO, you will even see less entries, because normally resolved bugs are not displayed at all.

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by apaku http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1138 apaku Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:43:44 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1138 KDevelop 3.5.5 is very stable yes. Obviously a beta release of KDevelop4 is not as stable as a version that had 3 years of releases and bugfixes. Unfortunately your suggestion about "don't file duplicates, check for them" doesn't work because thats already happening and people still simply hit the send button. There's also already a discussion going on how to make reporting duplicates harder - especially with Dr. Konqi. Last but not least, I'm not just complaining about the duplicate reports - thats something I can also tackle differently (by simply letting kdevelop in bugzilla bitrot) - it sheds a wrong light on kdevelop and gives the wrong impression to users that what they find in Ubuntu is a production-ready KDevelop release. Which is clearly not the case. KDevelop 3.5.5 is very stable yes. Obviously a beta release of KDevelop4 is not as stable as a version that had 3 years of releases and bugfixes.

Unfortunately your suggestion about “don’t file duplicates, check for them” doesn’t work because thats already happening and people still simply hit the send button. There’s also already a discussion going on how to make reporting duplicates harder – especially with Dr. Konqi.

Last but not least, I’m not just complaining about the duplicate reports – thats something I can also tackle differently (by simply letting kdevelop in bugzilla bitrot) – it sheds a wrong light on kdevelop and gives the wrong impression to users that what they find in Ubuntu is a production-ready KDevelop release. Which is clearly not the case.

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by Rob http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1137 Rob Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:24:43 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1137 I don't understand the complaint. "Don't install Ubuntu if you want a stable KDevelop"? Is there *any such thing* as a stable KDevelop? Sure, you get redundant bug reports. That's not Ubuntu's fault though, it's the fault of the people submitting the reports without searching to see if their problem already exists in the tracker. I'd bet that if you sent a boilerplate e-mail to each person who submitted a redundant report, saying (politely) that "KDevelop is under heavy development, their bug has already been fixed, please check in future for an existing report before filing a new one, and by the way compiling from SVN is a great way to get the latest goodness" then the number of redundant reports would drop and the number of people exercising your latest code would increase nicely! I don’t understand the complaint. “Don’t install Ubuntu if you want a stable KDevelop”? Is there *any such thing* as a stable KDevelop?

Sure, you get redundant bug reports. That’s not Ubuntu’s fault though, it’s the fault of the people submitting the reports without searching to see if their problem already exists in the tracker.

I’d bet that if you sent a boilerplate e-mail to each person who submitted a redundant report, saying (politely) that “KDevelop is under heavy development, their bug has already been fixed, please check in future for an existing report before filing a new one, and by the way compiling from SVN is a great way to get the latest goodness” then the number of redundant reports would drop and the number of people exercising your latest code would increase nicely!

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]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by apaku http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1135 apaku Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:10:37 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1135 Ubuntu not shipping kdevelop is definetly not the end of the world. In fact I doubt that the overlap between our user-base and the targeted user-base of Ubuntu is that big anyway. And other distro's do provide KDevelop beta's in their experimental area's. Ubuntu not shipping kdevelop is definetly not the end of the world. In fact I doubt that the overlap between our user-base and the targeted user-base of Ubuntu is that big anyway. And other distro’s do provide KDevelop beta’s in their experimental area’s.

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by apaku http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1134 apaku Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:09:32 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1134 I don't even understand what you're trying to do. But people who know they want KDevelop will also be able to find out how to get it (read: compile a fresh beta from source) and those who just want to try out things are better off with something else for the time being anyway. I don’t even understand what you’re trying to do. But people who know they want KDevelop will also be able to find out how to get it (read: compile a fresh beta from source) and those who just want to try out things are better off with something else for the time being anyway.

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by Andi Clemens http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1133 Andi Clemens Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:53:40 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1133 Yes, I fixed that bug in beta6, and nearly all the bugreports so far where from Ubuntu users. Again, we release beta versions for users who want to test the latest code and give feedback on it, and that is absolutely ok :-) But using it in a "stable" distribution is not what we planned here. I for myself use Archlinux, a rolling release system (in my opinion the best solution for desktop users, much more stable than any ubuntu release I tested now and then). But even Archlinux still ships digiKam-0.10, just because it is the latest stable version. You can get the latest packages when using experimental branches, but you will not find the beta versions in the stable branch. So it is not a "if you don't like your users to test software, just don't release it" thing, it is about using unstable software in a distribution that is frozen for 6 months now. We already received hate-mails from some Ubuntu users, because we are releasing "crappy software that crashes all the time" and that "kills their smooth running and stable Ubuntu desktop". It is not fun to read such shit, but I can understand people being pissed about the crashes. That's why it is titled BETA... :-) Yes, I fixed that bug in beta6, and nearly all the bugreports so far where from Ubuntu users.
Again, we release beta versions for users who want to test the latest code and give feedback on it, and that is absolutely ok :-)
But using it in a “stable” distribution is not what we planned here.
I for myself use Archlinux, a rolling release system (in my opinion the best solution for desktop users, much more stable than any ubuntu release I tested now and then).
But even Archlinux still ships digiKam-0.10, just because it is the latest stable version.
You can get the latest packages when using experimental branches, but you will not find the beta versions in the stable branch.

So it is not a “if you don’t like your users to test software, just don’t release it” thing, it is about using unstable software in a distribution that is frozen for 6 months now.

We already received hate-mails from some Ubuntu users, because we are releasing “crappy software that crashes all the time” and that “kills their smooth running and stable Ubuntu desktop”. It is not fun to read such shit, but I can understand people being pissed about the crashes. That’s why it is titled BETA… :-)

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by Vide http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1132 Vide Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:29:21 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1132 Can you admit honestly that then you wouldn't be complaining about "no one is giving us enough exposure, so we cannot have our beta properly tested?" Can you admit honestly that then you wouldn’t be complaining about “no one is giving us enough exposure, so we cannot have our beta properly tested?”

]]> Comment on Don’t install Ubuntu 9.10 if you want a stable KDevelop by Diego http://apaku.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/dont-install-ubuntu-9-10-if-you-want-a-stable-kdevelop/#comment-1131 Diego Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:00:39 +0000 http://apaku.wordpress.com/?p=158#comment-1131 Maybe a fourth option would have been the best: Ship it in a PPA and update KDevelop when a new beta / RC is out. Maybe a fourth option would have been the best:
Ship it in a PPA and update KDevelop when a new beta / RC is out.

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